Thursday, February 19, 2009

Update on Soy Online Service

Last week, I posted a comment by a reader who questioned the validity of Soy online service's source information and wrote me saying so. The reader did not like how my article relied on soy online service for so much of my information.

I felt that the reader's claim was worth investigating, because I feel it is important to be able to verify the veracity of my sources.

Here is the email I received,
Hi Emily...There are about 200 citations in Every one of those scientific research reports is
from the USA NIH PubMed data base and is linked back to the summary
abstracts. If you use those links you will see at the head of each are the
names of the researchers and the scientific laboratory where the research
was done

After reading this, I went to investigate, and saw that there were numerous citations to pubmed, Journal of Reproduction, etc. I concluded from this that soy online service is a reliable source.


Anonymous said...

It is good that the reader is skeptical and doesn't believe everything she reads. However, if he/she had read other articles on soy, then he/she would have found your article typical.

I feel that you spread one myth like the others. It is not true that Asians only eat fermented soy. They eat both non-fermented and fermented soy. They also drink soy milk. Go visit Asia. I wonder who started the myth, probably a Westerner who never visited Asia and used his/her imagination.

Emily L. said...

I agree that one should not believe everything that they read, that is a quality to be lauded and applauded. I don't disparage anyone from seeking out the truth on their own.

From my research, I have concluded that soy milk is a new, more westernized product. Not something that has been around for centuries, at least in Japan. There are records in China, but people did not nearly consume as much then as we do now!

webgiant said...

"Soy Online Service" is suspect because while they claim that "meta-analysis" is frowned on by the scientific community (quite the reverse), they then use a form of meta-analysis in coming up with their conclusions.

They discard all studies with positive effects, accept any study with negative effects, and usually don't go any farther than the abstract when quoting a study.

This last part often leads to embarrassing results for "SOS" when an abstract sounds like the study is making a case against soy when in fact the study is making a case for increased consumption of soy. For example, "SOS" assuming the phrase "influence prostate cancer risk" in the abstract means "increase cancer", when the full study states that the "influence" is to reduce the risk of prostate cancer. The study where "SOS" makes this fatal error in their fanatical zeal to condemn soy is [Habito RC, et al. Effects of replacing meat with soyabean in the diet on sex hormone concentrations in healthy adult males. Br J Nutr 2000 Oct;84(4): 557-63.]

Real science websites make cases based on what studies actually say, not on what you can make your audience think they say. "SOS" is not a real science website, so it is suspect.

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I think that it is really good, I would like to have the opportunity to get 200 citations in!!! I am so happy with it!!

Anonymous said...

Interesting to know who is behind Soy Online Service, as a matter of fact it it Northland dairyfarm owners Richard & Valerie James.

I think they should be upfront about that since they seem to care so much about being truthful.

Anonymous said...

To update this, Soy Online Service is gone, and Richard and Valerie James were both killed at the same time, but I have yet to find out how. It's endlessly fascinating to hear people defend soy using exactly the crap they've been spoon fed by the soy industry over the past 100 years, but especially since the 1980s, with much thanks to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, whose founding funding came from Rockefeller and RJ Reynolds grants. First they convinced vegetarians soy was a healthy protein source, and then once accepted, had no trouble slipping it into the rest of the food supply, along with endless amounts of propaganda from those they pay, and brainwashed vegetarians. I'm not saying you should eat meat, just eat hemp protein instead. It's ever so much healthier. And yes they probably are eating a lot more soy in Asia these days, thanks to the same folks giving it to us. But it has no tradition in their diet at these levels or the current forms. "Soy milk" was invented by a Seventh-Day Adventist doctor/missionary. In reality, the only people in China who ever ate what's actually soybean broth were the elderly, and then with some shrimp or other meat in it. The best information on the history of soy use can be found via the last link below. This man loves soy and is well respected by the industry. And try as he does, he only proves how the soy industry managed to get it onto our plates. He also explains that the history of soy use in China emanates from the Rockefeller Foundation (see #70). The second link is to some excellent true information on soy. But the first link leads to why Americans are so sick, and very much includes information on how soy screws with your thyroid. And to those of you who remain unconvinced, go look up the Semmelweis Reflex. said...

Little doubt, the dude is totally just.

adam said...

you can find an archive at

capriceman said...

For ALL the answers get 'The Whole Soy Story' by Kaayla T Daniel,PhD, CCN. ISBN 0-9670897-5-1. 450 pages
incl 45 pages of end note refs.
My wife was a victim of soy milk.Took
5 years for symtoms to show.Destroyed thyroid operation which damaged heart (atrial fibrillation). Now 5 times greater chance of stroke!